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Airbus And Boeing Face A Dark And Painful Future

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A couple of weeks ago I write about how the rise in oil prices is going to hit the airlines. The effect is also going to hit Beoing, Airbus and Bombardier hard too – as outlined yesterday by Kristen Lagadec for GlobalPublicMedia

But don’t expect to hear very much about this from the boosters at YVR and Abbotsford. Who, of course, are still expecting us to pay for vast lanside expansions of our transportation systems to carry their forecasted increases in passengers. And still turn up at planning meetings across the region pushing their outdated agenda.

Written by Stephen Rees

July 2, 2008 at 5:23 pm

Posted in Air Travel

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  1. At least Bombardier is more diversified, with 45% of its revenue from rail products and services.


    July 2, 2008 at 5:37 pm

  2. But……….Bombardier buys technology as they seldom do much serious R & D and depend on the likes of Airbus and Boeing for technological development. The same is true of their rail division. When they bought into ABB and their very successful Eurotram, the first thing Bombardier did was to stop production in favour of their inferior products.

    After the Combino fiasco, Siemens is again coming on strong, as well as Alstom and even Stadler, which makes Bombardier’s rail divisions a wee bit shaky with more factory closures in Europe. It is form this reason that Bombardier likes to sell proprietary rail systems like Skytrain, because the city that has a proprietary transit system is tied to the system for a very long time.

    Malcolm J.

    July 2, 2008 at 6:31 pm

  3. Malcolm, I read in a letter to the newspaper you wrote that Rotem licensed the Canada Line rolling stock from Bombardier. Where did you come across this info?


    July 2, 2008 at 6:56 pm

  4. This information came from a website I came across last year, but subsequently I can not find. Stephen received some pointed emails over this and made appropriate comments to his blog.

    It is interesting that most metro/transit cars in use come from designs from other companies, bought and sold when new designs come along. Portland’s Bombardier built first series of LRV’s, built (if memory serves me right) in Vermont, were from a BN (Belgium) LRV design that were licenced built Duwag cars.

    Still looking for that web site and when I do I will post the addy.

    Malcolm J.

    July 2, 2008 at 10:07 pm

  5. There are a lot of rail companies out there fighting hard in North America. Siemens is doing quite well but Kinky Sharyo and Ansaldo Breda are waiting with baited breath for more projects. And don’t forget the start up Oregon Iron Works to make a US streetcar.

    The Overhead Wire

    July 3, 2008 at 12:22 am

  6. That’s Kinki Sharyo – Kinki being a region in southern Japan centred around Osaka. (sharyo means train car)

    When they first proposed putting in those stations in the middle of nowhere at YVR I thought maybe it was part of their contingency plan; rather than expanding the airport, they would build TODs around them.

    Why did they build them anyways?


    July 3, 2008 at 8:29 am

  7. Lots of competition, which is good; we don’t have that with SkyTrain.

    Malcolm J.

    July 3, 2008 at 9:55 am

  8. Hopefully the builders of airplanes will see the future and build airships. Many airplane enthusiasts are obsessed with speed but sheer economic reality is hard to resist, especially for a CEO.

    Greg A

    July 3, 2008 at 7:42 pm

  9. Templeton Station will eventually be the site of a business park TOD.
    The initial plans for airside development projects can be found on the YVR website. Those projects flank the north runway and can have direct taxiway access – i.e. for cargo and courier companies like Fedex and UPS.
    Once those projects get completed, I think that the Templeton area will change from long term parking lots and rental car facilities to more intensive use.

    Sea Island Centre is of course for the workers at the Air Canada hangar.

    I’m not sure if the transit connection to the South Terminal will be at Templeton or at Sea Island Centre.

    Ron C.

    July 4, 2008 at 11:44 am

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