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Hopenhagen or Nopenhagen

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SFU downtown noon February 2

This was the most disappointing SFU City program session I have reported to date. This was the expected event as notified by email from the City Program.

Hopenhagen or Nopenhagen? What was it like being in Copenhagen as the world focused on climate change and the convoluted negotiations among the parties. What now? Join a panel of those who were on the ground as they share their impressions and discuss the consequences. This session is jointly sponsored by the SFU Public Policy Program and SFU City Program. Panelists include: David Cadman ; Jason Mogus, Communicopia Internet Inc.; Heidi Hartman, Hollyhock.

Of these, only Jason Mogus was on the platform today. David Cadman was in an in camera Council meeting. Tzeporah Berman was apparently also expected but was thought to be held up by security in Nanaimo float place terminal. So instead Professor John Richards was asked to share the platform:  this is the first time that the City Program and his Public Policy program have jointly sponsored one of these events. The meeting was held in a smaller room than usual but even so was lass than half full, and many of those were Professor Richards’ students.

Professor Richards did not attend Copenhagen. He did not deliver a formal presentation but offered to be a sort of sparring partner to Jason Mogus. In the front row of the audience was Kris Krug a local photographer and social media guru, who had been with Mogus at the conference and whose images were displayed as a slide show both before and during the presentation and are also used here by permission.

Jason Mogus - Communicopia

Jason Mogus - Communicopia

Jason is based in Vancouver where his company builds web sites for social change. He was hired by a coalition of NGOs to create a web strategy that would build support for a strong agreement at Copenhagen.   This movement came together specifically for this single meeting and was, he said “the most together and vibrant group with a great diversity of organisations across all  age groups, locations and purposes.” He ran a digital campaign with a twelve person team in Copenhagen. 220 NGOs formed the coalition and nearly 16m global citizens signed on to the tcktcktck web site

He started by calling for questions from the floor – which are listed below in the order they were asked. My impression is that not all were answered.

  1. What happened – why is it no longer on the agenda?
  2. Is this a platform for something better?
  3. How was Canada perceived?
  4. Tell us about the decision making process
  5. List any positive things that came out of it
  6. Is this a legacy web site? Is anything new emerging?
  7. Given the political failure to reach agreement, is this to be a guide to individual or community actions like Transition Towns?

How it started

“Make Poverty History” was the  inspiration for the climate movement even though it was a failure too.  They wanted to avoid a repeat of the Gleneagles G8 conference. The  Gleneagles agreement was not nearly good enough: it provided a  “We Saved Africa” media moment but that was premature. It was a major announcement but no action followed.  The tck group had its own theory of change and decided that it had to “own the outcome”. But then 160 world leaders turned up and took over, excluding the NGOs.

The brand created by tck is edgy and youth oriented and is based on psychographics and values. Their research showed that the environmentalists’ anger does not resonate with people. It lacks hedonism, excitement and fun sought by youth or the security and safety values of the older generation. The groups asked ‘how do you align all these groups to “energise the base” and expand on “the usual suspects”‘. Governments are used to hearing about how upset these groups are, and to some extent they have tuned out. The intention was to recruit from a much wider population of “ordinary people” not just environmental activists, in the belief that would change the impact on the decision makers.

At this point Professor Richards intervened pointing out that Africa is still as bas as ever. (Perhaps he did not hear Jason’s initial point about Gleneagles being a failure.)

Kris Krug responded from the floor “but we learned about how to communicate. Since then citizen media has emerged. And there was no recipe” for coordinating all these disparate  groups

Delegate assaulted by police

Delegate assaulted by police

Jason Mogus continued that tck became a platform for connecting people. The objective is not to influence policy makers but to build community, that will have resilience and interconnection. The idea was to bring more people into the movement. They may not influence politicians but they might get NGOs to work together. Since goverments are going to do nothing anyway, adaptation is already happening from local groups (see question 7) but it is  distributed and small scale. He pointed out that there are “big dumb NGOs stuck in the 20th century” i.e. not web savvy or social media literate.

Professor Richards intervened again, suggesting that the transformation of status of women may offer a model of how, when pressure isn’t enough, society can still change. He went on to point out that  Stephane Dion’s effort to put climate change on the political agenda produced the Liberal’s worst result in Canadian history.

Jason continued that the intention was to “creating a space for decision making” He cited groups like Avaaz and who operate to a different paradigm. They are people driven: they listen and poll to direct activity. They are not run from the top down but are community driven. It is important to note the groups did collaborate,  shifted perspectives – “by the end we got quite functional – if we can’t do it, how do we get expect the politicians to do it?”

There was he said the possibility of greenwash announcement: the deal would be crap, unfair and not binding, and the hope was that through pressure of all the NGOs using the same message a stronger deal would be possible. In the event  Obama announced a weak deal – and said so. The  joint messaging campaign providing the same response from a wide range of groups i.e. “there is a lot more to do” for the first 10 days worked “until we got locked out.”

There is, he said, an angry constituency – which includes the low lying states, India and China (although he conceded they are a bot of a wild card) These countries are dealing with climate change.

Professor Richards intervened: “Bangladesh one of the most vulnerable countries but it is still not doing much. There is a corrupt government, but there has been a little bit of adaptation such as cyclone shelters. The way to deal with climate change has to include millions of small decisions not to burn hydrocarbon fuel. The NGOs need to make taxes popular”.

Jason: we knew there would be a drop off in energy  after the conference: the NGOs are “now recircling the wagons”. One of the main lessons has been how the outreach lead to “new groups” joining the movement such as the Boy Scouts. Tck never had major celebrities involved, or lots of money.

Professor Richards: Canada and US have both grown 25-30% in ghg per capita since 1990. We need really quite wrenching lifestyle changes – are we going to do any of this?

At this point one of his (female) students pointed out  the fallacy of his supposed model of the rise of feminism “The reason they didn’t hire women was NOT that they were too expensive. So maybe the key to climate change may not be economics either.”

He conceded that policy and viability are both essential.

banner - United Nations Climate Change Conference

banner - United Nations Climate Change Conference

Kris Krug said that there were three groups at odds at Copenhagen: the demonstrators, the NGOs, and the government negotiators. And they did not talk to each other. The NGOs did not even want him to photograph the demonstrators since that was not the image they wished to convey.  Jason commented that Kris should have added in businesses. Kris replied that they too had own agenda (“selling Coke”) “Someday there could be a movement.  There isn’t yet.  Identifying that lack is a start.”  There is also the beginning of people doing positive things, without waiting for governments or for agreements between them

Jason: It is hard not to get upset and depressed.Many feel paralyzed by how bad it is. They are overwhelmed. We are also working in a system that is slow. But on the other hand there has never been a meeting like that, which set out to include youth and the NGOs and he felt we should applaud the UN for trying.

Perception of Canada

The perception of Canada can be seen from the fossil a day award and the fossil of the year award. We are trying to stop progress and the world knows it. The impacts are happening and accelerating. We will have to atone for that. We have seen a lot more stuff on the tar sands and the NGOs are targeting it because it’s the biggest project. On a positive note Canadians showed up a lot in the activist movement.

Kris Krug also pointed to the Yes men who a faked press conference, where Canada appeared to change its policies, and then they also faked a later retraction.

Professor Richards: Gordon Campbell has to get some credit. We need politicians like him and Arnold Schwarzenegger inside the coalition. At this point I spoke up, and pointed out that the increase in oil, gas and coal extraction under Campbell far exceeds any benefit due to the carbon tax – as does the promotion of the Gateway program. The response was that any coalition has to be with people one disagrees with.

He continued by discussing Europe’s policy versus that of North America, in response to another comment from the floor. He noted that Europeans have to live in smaller spaces, and have always taxed fuel heavily. He also praised France for prescience in opting for nuclear energy.

Jason then talked about behaviour change marketing and the importance of group values and norms. The success of some weight loss programs depends on the role of community to keep people up to their commitments.  “People do not change because of logic”

He then diverted to recommending a recent Rolling Stone article “You Idiots” on the 17 people who are wrecking the climate.  He said that it showed how hard it is: “how do you fight the machine” of corporate interests that control the main stream media.

One member of the audience then spoke up “We have to talk about the much larger number of good guys”

Another audience member, referring to a recent gathering in North Vancouver said “Most people just don’t get what is at stake.”

Professor Richards: perhaps I was wrong to invoke feminism but there was, at about the same time in the US a significant change in civil rights. That occurred  not just due to the legislation but also the policy and actions of people,  and not just the activists or the lawyers. “There was 50 years of policy wonks’ work . I want Jason’s crowd to popularize the carbon tax.”

One audience member asked if capitalism could be a positive force?

Professor Richards: Yes. See Denmark’s green businesses– solar panels, windfarms – enough of a force now to have political influence too.

Jason agreed that sustainable business is growing but “the White House needs to hear from you more”. He pointed also to the number of leading companies that have left the US Chamber of Commerce in disgust at their strong opposition to climate change policies.

Candle lit vigil at Copenhagen

Candle lit vigil at Copenhagen


As far as I can I have tried to report the discussion fairly. There are some bits I missed, mainly because many of the people who did not use the microphone were inaudible. I have provided links to the web sites that were mentioned, but it would appear that tcktcktck is now just in a holding pattern. I am not at all sure what might emerge – because it seems no-one is ready yet to commit to a long term strategy, post Copenhagen.

As I have said here before, I do think that Canadians who care about the issue have pretty much given up trying to influence the governments of BC and Canada – who are clearly not in the least concerned about effective action. I include Gordon Campbell in this. I am not impressed by the carbon tax – BC was the only province to actually increase ghg production in the first year of the economic slump – and last year will have increased even faster even if only the efforts of the Ministry of Energy to expand fossil fuel production are counted.  Campbell is the prince of spin and sleight of hand. Gestures like buying hydrogen buses for Whistler – when Translink is deliberately starved of operating and expansion funds  – are typical of the man. I am appalled that Campbell got an award at Copenhagen from Tzeporah Berman – who seems to be blinded by the expansion of run of the river hydro as a “solution” to fossil fuel dependency when it is in reality simply a way to capitalize on California’s seemingly insatiable demand for electricity at any price. We cannot possibly include a charlatan like Campbell in a coalition that seeks to reduce our ghg emissions – if only for his declared commitment to economic growth.

Copenhagen was, in my view a failure and a wake up call. We do have to name and shame the group of 17 and those who work for them. They do have to be shown for the rogues and liars they are. We also have to embrace positive changes – as individuals and of course as communities. One person can only do so much for so long. As groups – even if they are small and local – we can be effective. And we will also alter the political climate as the movement grows in popularity and effectiveness. The only doubt I have is that we can  do it fast enough.

I think it was Gordon Price who pointed out at the end that nature will respond to our lack of activity – and those responses will be beyond denial.

Nature Doesn't Compromise

Nature Doesn't Compromise

Written by Stephen Rees

February 2, 2010 at 5:21 pm

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  1. Thanks, as always, Stephen for a fantastic summary!


    February 2, 2010 at 8:19 pm

  2. “He (Professor Richards)noted that Europeans have to live in smaller spaces”. This is NOT true. Long ago I read that the territory the average European is extremely familiar with is still nearly the same as the one prehistoric men knew, an area with a diameter of 30-40 km around the home base (a couple of times I had to walk 15-20 km then back the same day and it wasn’t that bad. One of my great grandfathers would go to his brother’s home twice a year by walking 35 km in one day-he had to swim across a river at one point–and back the following day, so a 30-40 km territory is plausible).
    We aren’t talking of the far away places we go to on holidays but of the area we “roam” around everyday of the year. Another person, also long ago, said that you can only know a place well if you have lived there through all the seasons of a year several times.

    Europeans commute by car, buses, trains, pretty much the same distances as we do here. While a European knows that his country is much smaller than Canada, as he/she has likely never seen all of his/her own country he doesn’t “feel” that it is small.

    Indeed there are still lots of areas in many Euro countries where one doesn’t see a person for days. My parents worked and lived near a big forest in South-Western France. A local lady went into that forest one day,looking for mushrooms. She didn’t came back and couldn’t be found. Some human bones were found, many km away, by trees cutters 4 or 5 years later, but it could have been someone else.
    The vastness of Canada is something that we understand intellectually but haven’t really experienced either.

    As for houses or apartments in Europe being smaller than here this is too a fallacy. Some are, many aren’t. By the same token many of the older houses in Toronto, Vancouver etc. aren’t that big either.

    What IS true is that ALL utilities, not just gas, have long been much more expensive over there than here. Which is why cars and appliances have also long been much more energy saving than here (Australia, New Zealand, Japan and other Asian countries are like Europe).
    Whether global warming is coming for sure, or only might come, all Euro governments work hard to encourage, or even force, homeowners to insulate homes to the max, get appliances, fixtures etc. that are even more performing, and use alternative energies as much as possible.

    Red frog

    February 2, 2010 at 9:36 pm

  3. “The meeting was held in a smaller room than usual but even so was lass than half full […}”

    strange enough, the event has been marked as “sold-out” on the sfu website for a long time (before the previous meeting with the Chicagoers).

    Oh also, I like the minutes of the meeting you attend. I have been in the attendance of some, I can confirm they are pretty accurate and you can rely on them.


    February 2, 2010 at 9:43 pm

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